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Okay, from Ain't It Cool News via Metafilter we have the 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' Story Conference, which is the original 1978 story conference between George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Laurence Kasdan where they plotted it out.

Now, I'm sure many people want to talk about the creative process, and screenwriting, and how action films work. Unfortunately, this journal is currently exclusively for talking about sex and food...or so it seems. So I'm just going to quote this bit, on the backstory they initially imagined for Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood:

G — I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.

L — And he was forty-two.

G — He hasn't seen her in twelve years. Now she's twenty-two. It's a real strange relationship.

S — She had better be older than twenty-two.

G — He's thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.

S — And promiscuous. She came onto him.

G — Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him



...........my soul hurts. I'm not sure I have any comment, except that, uh, that was the first thing I shipped! I have fanfiction from when I was 9 lying around somewhere! I saw Crystal Skull three times in the cinema mostly due to my love of their relationship, despite JONESYYYY and certain tacky plot elements and JONESYYYY and the plot not really tying together and JONESYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

In any case! They have this dialogue in Raiders of the Lost Ark about how Marion was 'only a child' (her words) when they had the affair and I assumed that meant - emotionally, not actually. Uh, wow. I just....and that they considered eleven and twelve as okay? And used 'promiscuous' and 'affair' to describe a kid and a twenty five year old man? And...and....aaaugh.

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incandescens
Mar. 10th, 2009 11:37 pm (UTC)
Um.

Ew.
baeckahaesten
Mar. 10th, 2009 11:43 pm (UTC)
Incandescens! It's nice to see you again, even in these completely disturbing circumstances. I am very glad that I am not the only person who had a problem with this. Spielberg and Lucas are such major figures in the film-making industry, and - it just kind of boggles me that they or anyone could think like that. I hadn't picked up that subtext in any of the films at all, and I almost wish I didn't now know this. You summed it up, basically! Why. Seriously, why.
incandescens
Mar. 11th, 2009 12:08 am (UTC)
Still around here, and still reading your lj. :)

I agree that it is intensely disturbing to see their lines of thought working in that way.
t3h_toby_chan
Mar. 11th, 2009 03:09 am (UTC)
wat
baeckahaesten
Mar. 12th, 2009 10:38 am (UTC)
I DON'T EVEN KNOOOOOW

I WAS A CHILD! IT WAS WRONG AND YOU KNEW IT! <---DIALOGUE NOW FOREVER RUINED FOREVER FOR ME

Honestly I wouldn't say that the actors played it that way remotely and the script doesn't imply it that way necessarily at all so let's have the Jacques Derrida approach re: the actual film.

But...how could they even think that? Three guys! Three mainsteam Hollywood guys! WHAAAAT.
t3h_toby_chan
Mar. 12th, 2009 03:31 pm (UTC)
Maybe they read Lolita and took it at face value that banging 'promiscuous' 12-year-olds is AWWWWRIGHT!


Point. They missed it.
lady_tigerfish
Jun. 4th, 2009 06:33 am (UTC)
This probably seems quite random, but Toby talks about her lovely waaifu and your awesome discussions frequently, and you seemed like an interesting person to check out. Then I noticed the Sarah Waters and the Tori Amos and, well...I couldn't resist asking. May I friend you? You clearly have good taste in books and music ~_^
baeckahaesten
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:16 pm (UTC)
Hee, I didn't realise I was internet-famous as Toby's uncommon-law wife - absolutely! Go ahead! And may I extend the same interest to you, and friend you, who are apparently interested in poetry, folk music, and Ursula LeGuin, which adds both excellent taste and the sense to add it to your LJ interests list.

(I am sitting with the new Tori Amos album in my hand as I speak, shrink-wrapped. The suspense is killing me! So this is a good time to bring it up, I guess. And what's your favourite Sarah Waters book?)
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